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 Post subject: Bryter Layter
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:00 pm 
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It's taken quite a few years, but 'Bryter Layter' is growing on me:). Just wish I had access to the mixing desk so that I could mute some of the channels!

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well clearly you now need to tell us which you'd mute if you were at the desk - enquiring minds need to know ! :)


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That is a reasonable request Matt and so I will go through each track and let you know! Could be controversial :)

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I'm expecting the backing vocals on Poor Boy to feature in the list...


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Here we are then...

Introduction - lovely/perfect
Hazey Jane Pt 2 - horns and C&W guitar channels muted
Chime of a City Clock - would mute sax when Nick is singing
One of These Things - Mute the piano - its overkill IMHO
Hazey Jane Pt 1 - Mute the strings for the first half
Bryter Layter - Nice tune, but flute and strings just too twee. Maybe keep flute but mute strings
Fly - Mute the harpsichord - spoils a perfectly good song
Poor Boy - Mute all channels and wait for next track :)
Northern Sky - perfect
Sunday - Get rid of the flute

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I'm one of the people who love the arrangements on Bryter... (although I'm not a big fan of Poor Boy). Be interesting to see who else agrees/disagrees though so people, let's have your thoughts.

While we're on the subject, I'm sitting at the mixing desk right now - shall I un-mute the other tracks on Pink Moon so you can hear what it REALLY sounds like with the full band? :shock:


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Hmmm...a few controversial items in this list!!!! Muting Richard Thompson's guitar and Robert Kirby's brass arrangements in Hazey Jane II being the most prominent example!!

We agree about one thing though - Northern Sky IS PERFECT.

The organ swell at the start of the 3rd verse (?) is one of the most emotive pieces of music ever committed to vinyl. Goose bumps every time without fail...!


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chris w wrote:
The organ swell at the start of the 3rd verse (?) is one of the most emotive pieces of music ever committed to vinyl. Goose bumps every time without fail...!

definitely - one of music's golden moments (the bit in 'Kathleen' where Josh Ritter takes the melody up an octave being another)


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or Rainslicker

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chris w wrote:
Hmmm...a few controversial items in this list!!!! Muting Richard Thompson's guitar and Robert Kirby's brass arrangements in Hazey Jane II being the most prominent example!!

We agree about one thing though - Northern Sky IS PERFECT.

The organ swell at the start of the 3rd verse (?) is one of the most emotive pieces of music ever committed to vinyl. Goose bumps every time without fail...!


Am I right in thinking that John Cale arranged Northern Sky?

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For those that may not be aware of it, a fellow named `Saturdayson' on youtube has uploaded a few of Nick's songs where he has managed to delete the strings and other arrangements from a few songs from BL and FLL, to whit, Hazey Jane 1 (Nick's guitar playing is incredible and its nice to hear it clearly) Fruit Tree and a few others I think. But these are the two main ones where one (or at least me) would rather hear the guitar clearly. The sound suffers a bit from lack of stereo fullness though.


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I really agree with you about wanting to clearly hear the guitar. Some arrangements I like/love, some not as much but the guitar is always amazing.(I haven't heard Fruit Tree naked yet. I'll have to check that out, thanks). I like some of the arrangements on BL, (on the instrumentals, not so much) but with a guitar that strong, I'm intrigued to hear just voice and guitar. To break it down the way Seran did, I'd have to take more time on it but right off the bat, I'd turn down the electric guitar on 'Hazey Jane II'.
My favorites on BL are 'At the Chime of A City Clock', "One of These Things First' and 'Poor Boy' (I've heard the stripped version of 'Poor Boy'on Tanworth in Arden II. Very different feel to that song).These are some of the first Nick Drake songs I ever heard back in the early 80's. I liked them then but until I heard some of the home tapes, I didn't fully appreciate or realize the extent of his skill on the guitar. Now I listen to all his music with a new ear. It's phenomenal; like a one man band. So distinctive and immediately recognizable. It draws me in and I never tire of listening, after all these years.


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I've never understood those that state that BL is the 'perfect album'. IMHO, BL is a perfect example of how over-production can ruin perfectly good songs. It was as if Boyd et al thought 'we've got all these musicians in, so we might as well use them'! It is clear that the songs (with the odd exception) are as good as anything Nick did, but you have to judge it by what is in front of you, and to my ears the arrangements on BL, is at its worst, are not very good at all.

Still, I'm learning to filter out the worst and focus on the songs themselves, and bmores pointer to YouTube really shows what might have been had Nick not been coerced into throwing everything, including the kitchen sink (it's probably there somewhere), at his songs. 'Pink Moon' was the perfect retort.

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It's worth pointing out that Robert Kirby insisted that Nick always had final say when it came to arrangements - I think it's dangerous to blame Joe Boyd (or indeed anyone else) for BL (if you don't like it that is). It's too easy to see any defects as the work of outside forces.

Read what Robert said in full in this interview we did with him a couple of years ago:

http://www.nickdrake.com/Robert_Kirby_Q__A.html

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